PBP Commentary

Coming up we have a featherweight MMA rules bout between Hector Linhares (ranked 0 p4p, 0 weight class) and Puntti Manne (ranked 0 p4p, 0 weight class). Linhares comes to the cage accompanied by Los Sicarios, Sokol, Koras - A veces. Manne is bobbing his head along to his entrance song: Edguy - Two Out of Seven. Over to our ring announcer for the fighter introductions!

Linhares
vs
Manne

176 cm
29
154 lbs
23 - 8 - 1

170 cm
28
147 lbs
20 - 6 - 0

Great wrestler
World class boxer
Cardio machine

Excellent grappler
Lethal high kicks
Granite chin

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Ladies and gentlemen. This fight is 5 rounds, for the featherweight championship of the world!
Introducing the champion to my left, fighting out of the red corner.
With a record of 23 - 8 - 1, fighting out of Montreal, Hector Linhares!
And introducing the challenger to my right, fighting out of the blue corner.
With a record of 20 - 6 - 0, fighting out of Amsterdam, Puntti Manne!
The judges for this bout are William Gold, James Ackerman and Andrew Berry.

The bell rings for round one and we are underway!
Manne lands a beauty of a right hand that gets the crowd cheering.
Manne connects with a leg kick. He turned his hip over nicely there.
Manne looking to take his opponent's legs away with the low kicks.
Manne has been working on his striking defense in training and it's paying off as Linhares is landing a low percentage of strikes.
Manne throws a leg kick
enabling Linhares to counter with a crisp jab.
A looping hook to the body misses from Linhares. Manne does a little dance to reset his feet.
Manne throws a hard body shot but it just misses.
Linhares throws a nice inside leg kick.
Linhares fakes a head punch and goes low to the body. Nicely done.
Manne throws a big shot that misses.
Manne lands a nice shot to the body.
Linhares throws a shot from downtown. Manne moves away and avoids it.
A slapping leg kick lands for Manne.
Linhares keeping a good distance there, avoiding the body shot.
Manne avoids a kick to the body.
The fans in attendance giving it up for the two fighters, who have really let it all hang out in the last minute or so!
Manne takes one to the chin there.
Linhares fakes a couple of low kicks, before throwing one on the third attempt. It connects and Manne has to reset his feet before getting ready to engage.
Manne misses with a hook. Linhares ducked under it nicely.
Manne digs a good hook to Linhares's body.
Manne throws a hook to the body but it doesn't connect.
Linhares feints a straight left to the body, then turns around with a flashy move and hits Mannes jaw with a dramatic spinning back fist!

That's one minute gone in the round.
Manne takes a jab right on the kisser.
Linhares connects with a nice looking jab.
Manne throws a poor cross that misses
and Linhares counters with a good right hand that lands right on the jaw.
Manne throws a looping overhand right but Linhares ducks down to avoid it.
Linhares cracks the inside of Manne's front leg.
Linhares is pinned up against the cage taking some big shots here. The referee is looking closely deciding whether he should stop the fight.

Linhares moves into the clinch successfully.
Manne working on landing some head shots here - that one got through nicely.
An uppercut on the inside fails to land for Linhares.
The fighters are pressed against the cage, as the pace of the fight slows.
Linhares lands a right hand.
Linhares misses with a hook from the clinch.
This has been an exciting period of action!
A nice right hand lands inside from Linhares.
Manne wants a takedown.
I was talking to Linhares's coach per-fight and he was telling me that they'd been working on the clinch in the runup to this fight.
Manne lands a shoulder strike that jolts his opponent's head backwards.
Linhares misses with a short punch on the inside.

That's two minutes gone in the round.
Linhares lands with a good tight uppercut to the head.
Linhares lands a right uppercut that snaps the head of Manne backwards.
Manne avoids the elbow strike from Linhares, against the cage.
Manne lands with a short shot to the head.
Linhares blocking some punches.
Linhares tries to work over Manne's body with a swooping hook but it only glances the target.

Manne has clasped his hands together around Linhares's back... aaand, he's got a takedown into side control. Nicely done.
Manne tries to move to mount but Linhares blocks the move with his legs.
Linhares tries to work a leg under to get back to half guard but Manne wriggles his own leg back out and remains in side control.
Manne trying to control the position but Linhares is working away.
Manne in side control, trying to ground and pound but not landing this time.
Linhares manages to land a sweep and he's now on top! Lovely Jiu Jitsu!
Manne wants to improve his position but Linhares is controlling well.
Manne has the superior BJJ but he's also working some ground strikes into his gameplan.

That's three minutes gone in the round.
Linhares content to control rather than advance.
Linhares prevents Manne from improving his position.
Linhares is just sitting in half guard, waiting for something to happen.
The fighters are pressed up against the cage, both looking to find a bit of space to work.
Manne is trying to get back to full guard.

That's four minutes gone in the round.
The crowd are showing their displeasure at the lack of action as loud boos ring out around the arena.
Linhares throwing shots but they're hitting the canvas more than the man.
Manne regains full guard. Nicely done.
Linhares showing good wrestling skills to control the position.
Manne is trying to control the position but Linhares postures up.

Manne working from the bottom, still in full guard. He's managed to get a loose triangle. Linhares doesn't seem to be doing much to defend here, obviously he feels comfortable in the position. Linhares manages to throw the legs off his shoulder and he's back into guard - no problem.
Linhares looking to pass the guard.
Linhares engaging in some classic timewasting tactics.
And that’s the end of the round – the fighters go back to their corners.

Hector Linhares dominated that round.
That's time! Back to the action!

Linhares throws a decent looking leg kick but it doesn't land clean.
Linhares slips in close and lands a nice hook before moving back out of range.
Manne blocks the body kick.
Manne misses with a left hand
letting Linhares counter with a right hand.
Linhares tries to land a front kick but Manne steps back. That was a bit too telegraphed.
Linhares throws a body punch but Manne moves out of range.
Linhares moves away from the strike by Manne.
Good work by Manne as he checks the leg kick.

Linhares clinches up with Manne and pushes him back against the cage.
Linhares is trying to slow down the pace of the fight but Manne is keeping busy.
Manne is trying to force a seperation but Linhares has the dominant position.
We've had a slow start to the round here - hopefully the action picks up.
Linhares misses with some punches.
Manne blocks an uppercut.
Manne misses with some punches.
Manne lands a hook that snaps the head of Linhares backwards.
Linhares trying to land knees to the body.
Linhares stalling in the clinch.
With the two fighters working up against the cage, Linhares just misses with a elbow thrown towards Manne's brow.

That's one minute gone in the round.
Linhares tries to throw a body punch but Manne avoids it by throwing Linhares back against the cage.
A nice left hand lands by Linhares.
Manne blocks a knee to the body. He'll have a nicely bruised forearm in the morning.
Linhares lands a nice elbow from the clinch.
Still in the clinch, Linhares scores with a nice short uppercut.
A head punch on the inside from Manne fails to land.
Manne leaning his opponent against the cage.
Manne working aggressively here.
Linhares misses with a hook from the clinch.
Linhares throws a punch but it's blocked by Manne.
Manne working aggressively here.
Hector Linhares has scored more points in the clinch so far.
Still in the clinch, Linhares scores with a nice short uppercut.

Linhares escapes the clinch and we're back to striking.
Linhares throws a leg kick but Manne moved away.
Linhares lunges in with an uppercut that skims his opponent's chin.
Some bone on bone action there as Manne checks a low kick. Luckily it wasn't a particularly hard one.
A countering left hand to the body from Manne misses.
Manne misses with a body shot. Nice footwork from Linhares.

That's two minutes gone in the round.
Linhares keeping a good distance there, avoiding the body shot.
Linhares misses with a body shot. Nice footwork from Manne.
Hector Linhares is winning the standup battle so far.
The crowd cheering loudly, showing their appreciation for the quality fight we're seeing here.
Linhares moves out of range as Manne strikes.
Manne throws out a token jab with nothing on it.
Linhares shapes like he's going to throw a leg kick but settles back down.
Manne jabs. That one connects to the head of his opponent.
Linhares connects with a looping left hand that seems like it dazed Manne momentarily.
Hector Linhares is looking to keep the fight on the feet at all costs.
Linhares throws a looping overhand right but Manne ducks down to avoid it.
Manne stooping low to avoid any incoming strikes and then lunges in with an uppercut come cross that lands flush.
Linhares swinging wildly here.
Linhares connects with a high kick.
Linhares fakes a couple of low kicks, before throwing one on the third attempt. It connects and Manne has to reset his feet before getting ready to engage.
Manne is the aggressor but that punch slipped nicely by Linhares.
Manne takes a body punch that cleary hurt but he's trying not to show any weakness.
Linhares moves out of range of the strikes.

That's three minutes gone in the round.

Linhares moves into the clinch successfully.
Manne lands a right hand that snaps the head of Linhares backwards.
Manne misses with some punches.
A head punch on the inside from Linhares fails to land.
Manne has a couple of punches blocked by Linhares.
Manne can't find room to land a body shot as Linhares controls the action.
Manne is trying to slow down the pace in the clinch, to catch his breath.
A head punch on the inside from Linhares fails to land.
Linhares lands a nice uppercut.
Linhares misses with some punches.
Some stalling of biblical proportions here from Manne.

Manne breaks from the clinch.
Nice defenses there by Manne.
Manne swings and misses with a hook to the body.
Manne misses with an uppercut. Linhares saw that one coming.
Manne rushes in with a sloppy looking punch
and Linhares counters with a good right hand that lands right on the jaw.
Manne fakes a couple of low kicks, before throwing one on the third attempt. It connects and Linhares has to reset his feet before getting ready to engage.

That's four minutes gone in the round.
Linhares misses with an attempted mid kick.
Linhares moves out of range as Manne strikes.
Manne takes a shot to the nose. Hopefully that hasn't broken it.
We've seen a great period of action over the last minute or so - credit to both fighters for going all out!
Manne slips under a jab.
Manne bobs and weaves well there to avoid the strikes.
Linhares scores with a jab to the head.
Linhares moves away from the strike by Manne.
A slow jab from Manne misses its intended target.
Manne throws a body shot but no joy.
Oooooooooooh, not good. A low kick from Linhares lands where it shouldn't have, right in the... well, you know what he did? He kicked him in the penis. He's injured, injured bad. The referee sends both fighters to their corners and Manne has 5 minutes to recover. He's OK now though... a thumbs up from Manne and we're back underway with a touch of gloves.
Manne works his jab well there, keeping his opponent at a distance.
Linhares misses with a looping left.
Manne doesn't fully commit to the body shot counter.
Linhares closes the distance and takes a jab right on the nose as he does so.
A slapping body kick lands there for Linhares.
Manne throws a leg kick but Linhares moved away.
Manne uses some good footwork to avoid the body shot by Linhares.
And that’s the end of the round – the fighters go back to their corners.

Hector Linhares dominated that second round.
The fighters' corners scream their final instructions, as the referee calls time. Here we go, back to the action!

Linhares throws a quick head kick that skims the top of Manne's head.
Manne uses good footwork to avoid the strikes from Linhares.
Manne on the wrong end of an overhand right that came out of nowhere.
Linhares ducks under a wild hook from Manne.
Linhares swings wildly with a hook that is half blocked by Manne.
Manne fails to land with the punch combination there - jab, cross, hook, miss, miss, miss.
Manne fails with the takedown
and Linhares counters with a quick right hand to the jaw.
Linhares scores with a nice strike.
A cross from Manne lands.
Linhares throws a jab when Manne was well out of range.
Linhares swings away with a leg kick that misses.
Linhares is looking to score with low kicks.
Manne scores with a nice right hand.
We've seen a great period of action over the last minute or so - credit to both fighters for going all out!
Nice jab there from Linhares.
Linhares throws a low kick but it's checked well by Manne.
Linhares staying out of range there.

That's one minute gone in the round.
Linhares connects with the punch.
Linhares is really dominating this fight. Is there anything that Manne can do to turn this around?
A combination from Manne does no damage.
Manne shoots in for a takedown but Linhares shows good takedown defense.
Manne rushes forward with a series of wild hooks but Linhares moves out of range and avoids them all easily.
Nice cross by Linhares.
Manne uses good footwork to get in and out and land a nice right hand before Linhares has time to react.
Good work by Linhares as he checks the leg kick.
Manne connects with a jab.
Linhares feints a straight left to the body, then turns around with a flashy move and hits Mannes jaw with a dramatic spinning back fist!
Linhares lands a jab to the nose.
Linhares throws an uppercut from half a mile away. Manne sees it coming and avoids it easily.
Manne checks the leg kick nicely there.
Linhares misses with a double jab.
The crowd cheering loudly, showing their appreciation for the quality fight we're seeing here.
A shot to the body from Manne misses
and Linhares counters with a quick right hand to the jaw.
Linhares scores with a leg kick.
Manne darts in looking for a takedown but Linhares gets double underhooks and turns Manne into the cage.
Hector Linhares has stuffed three takedown attempts in the round now. That's going to take a lot out of Puntti Manne.

That's two minutes gone in the round.
Manne looks to score with a combo but nothing lands.
Linhares throws an uppercut from half a mile away. Manne sees it coming and avoids it easily.
Manne throws a shot from downtown. Linhares moves away and avoids it.
Linhares gets his head snapped back by a nice shot there.
Manne slips under a jab from Linhares.
Nice straight punches there by Manne. You know Roy Jones Jr respects the hands of Manne.
Linhares swings away with a leg kick that misses.
Manne moves into range and lands a nice leg kick.
Linhares throws an overhand right that lands on Manne's shoulder, as Manne tries to avoid the shot.
Linhares throws an ugly left hook that misses
and Manne counters with a shot to the ribs. That looked like it hurt.
Linhares works the jab nicely.
Manne bobbing and weaving, closes the distance and lands a hook to the side of Linhares's head.
Linhares tries a low kick but Manne avoids it.
Manne fakes a head shot and lands one to the body.
Linhares throws an off balance right hand
and Manne counters with a series of strikes. Linhares will be more careful next time no doubt.
Linhares throws an ugly left hook that misses
and Manne counters with a nice body shot.

That's three minutes gone in the round.
Manne throws a nice outside leg kick.
Nice jab there from Linhares.
Linhares swings and misses with a hook to the body.
Manne tries to land with a swinging hook to the body but Linhares was well out of range. Poor timing from Manne.
Linhares was looking to counter that last move with a shot to the body but he didn't commit.
Manne darts in and out, connecting with a jab.
Linhares missing with a left hand there. Manne was out of range so wasted energy throwing that one.
Manne feints the counter takedown.
Manne scores with a jab to the jaw of his opponent.
Manne misses the shot to the body.
Manne dips to his left and cracks Linhares with an uppercut!
Linhares throws a hook to the body but it doesn't connect.
Linhares throws a leg kick that is checked
and Manne counters with a series of strikes. Linhares will be more careful next time no doubt.
Manne misses with a looping right.
Manne slips in close and lands a nice hook before moving back out of range.
This is a great period of action - very entertaining stuff!
Linhares just misses with a punch to the body.
Manne jabs Linhares to the body, keeping him at a distance.
Manne scores with a slapping inside leg kick.

That's four minutes gone in the round.
Linhares looks for the body kick but Manne saw that one coming.
This fight brought to you by 5M nutrition - it's mmmmm tasty. Nice jab by Linhares.
Linhares lands a head kick. Manne smiles back at him and beckons him forward.
Manne lands a jab to Linhares's midsection.
The fighters circling - Manne throws out the jab but it was never going to land.
Linhares tries to counter by moving into the clinch but Manne manages to circle out of the way.
Manne misses with a series of wild punches.
Manne with a nice cross.
Linhares moves in looking to clinch but Manne pushes him off.
Linhares goes for a spinning back kick but it misses.
The crowd applaud the fighters' efforts here as the round comes to an end.
Manne works the jab nicely.
Linhares stuffs the takedown attempt from Manne. Manne gets slowly back to his feet.
Manne gets cracked with a nice right hand there by Linhares.
And that’s the end of the round – the fighters go back to their corners.

A close third round but Puntti Manne just about did enough to take it.
The referee calls time. The cornermen exit stage left and we're back to business.

Linhares throws out a loose jab but Manne uses good head movement to avoid it.
Manne thows a leg kick but Linhares checks it
and Linhares counters with a two punch combo.
Linhares scores with a one two! Manne had his feet all tangled up there and couldn't avoid the strikes.
Linhares looks to land a combination but Manne avoids it well.
A slapping leg kick lands for Manne.
Linhares uses decent footwork to sidestep a right hand from Manne.
Manne waving his hands out in front of him, looking to distract Linhares.
Manne scores with a jab to the jaw of his opponent.
Linhares scores with a crisp jab that stopped Manne in his tracks.
Linhares fakes a couple of low kicks, before throwing one on the third attempt. It connects and Manne has to reset his feet before getting ready to engage.
The crowd are loving this. Great action here.
Manne scores with a sloppy right hand. Linhares should have avoided that one.
Manne thows a left - swing and a miss!
Manne misses with a jab, cross combination.
Manne misses with a straight left.
Manne throws a jab to the body, straight down the pipe. Boom. That sent Linhares stumbling backwards but he manages to regain his composure quickly.
Linhares looks to score with a combo but nothing lands.

That's one minute gone in the round.
Manne avoids a lazy jab quite easily.
Linhares looks to land a combination. Manne sees it coming but can only parry a couple of the shots.
Manne lunges at Linhares with a hook that half lands and is half blocked by Linhares's hand.
Manne has a pretty nasty looking mouse under his right eye.
Linhares misses with an uppercut. Manne saw that one coming.
Manne misses with a double jab.
Manne lands a nice shot to the body.
A telegraphed right hand from Manne misses the target.
Linhares throws a jab when Manne was well out of range.
Linhares uses good footwork to get in and out, landing a nice hook.
Linhares misses with the combination.
Manne moves away from the strike by Linhares.
Manne throws an overhand right that lands on Linhares's shoulder, as Linhares tries to avoid the shot.
Linhares swung with a counter right hand that didn't connect.
Manne just misses with a punch to the body.
Manne throws a hook but Linhares blocks it.
Linhares avoids a lazy jab quite easily.

That's two minutes gone in the round.
Linhares moves in looking to clinch but Manne pushes him off.
Fantastic stuff here - a very entertaining period of action, which has drawn cheers from the crowd.

Linhares closes the distance and pushes Manne back into the cage.
Linhares tries to throw a body punch but Manne avoids it by throwing Linhares back against the cage.

Manne's corner calls for him to break the clinch, which he does.
Manne ducks down and throws a hook to the body.
Linhares is hobbling a little on that front leg after taking quite a few leg kicks so far in this fight.
Linhares fails to land with a series of punches.
Manne doesn't fully commit to the body shot counter.
Linhares drops his hands and takes a jab to the jaw for his troubles.
Linhares throws a hard body shot but it just misses.
Linhares finds nothing but air with that leg kick attempt.
Manne throws a jab when Linhares was well out of range.
Linhares cracks the inside of Manne's front leg.
Linhares changes levels and scores with a jab to the body.

Manne closes the distance and gets a double leg, slamming Linhares to the mat! Linhares manages to get full guard.

Linhares has his foot on Manne's thigh. He's trying to push off and get in position for a triangle, I think. Manne works his way back into a safe position though.
Manne postures up in Linhares's guard and throws a big left but Linhares blocks it.

That's three minutes gone in the round.
Manne loading up with the ground and pound but he's missing more than he's landing in this flurry.
Linhares has Manne pulled in close to control his posture.
Manne with a flurry of punches that miss.
Manne trying to control the position from guard on top but Linhares is wriggling around, looking for whatever he can.

Linhares had isolated an arm as going for a kimura. Manne defends it easily.
Manne with a flurry of punches that miss.

That's four minutes gone in the round.
The crowd are starting to boo a lack of action.
Linhares is doing well to control the posture of his opponent and prevent any damage.
Manne landing some decent shots from guard.
Linhares preventing the ground and pound from doing any damage.
Linhares avoiding any damage from the ground and pound.
Manne advances to half guard.
Linhares is trying is best to control the position here.
Linhares is looking for a sweep. Manne is wise to his cunning plan and keeps the top position.
Puntti Manne has got the better of the ground game so far.
Linhares slips a foot under and gets full guard. Nice work.

Linhares is looking for a triangle but Manne pushes his legs off easily.
And that’s the end of the round – the fighters go back to their corners.

That was a close fourth round but I would say that Hector Linhares will probably get the nod.
That's the end of the round. The referee orders the cornermen out of the cage so we can get back down to business. This is the final round!

Nice body punch from Manne.
Manne lands the left hand.
Manne throws an ugly left hook that misses
and Linhares counters with a stiff right hand.
Manne throws a hook but Linhares blocks it.
Manne misses with a left hand
enabling Linhares to counter with a crisp jab.
Good standup being displayed there by Manne as he connects with a hook.
Linhares on the wrong end of a nice jab.
Linhares dips to his left and cracks Manne with an uppercut!
Manne takes an uppercut right on the jaw but it doesn't phase him.
Linhares throws a hook but Manne avoids it easily.
Linhares throws the left hand but Manne avoids the punch easily.
Manne jabs at Linhares's body.
We've seen a great period of action over the last minute or so - credit to both fighters for going all out!
Manne closes the distance and takes a jab right on the nose as he does so.
Linhares throws a low kick but Manne moves out of range easily.
Manne connects with an inside leg kick.

That's one minute gone in the round.
Manne checks a leg kick.
Nice straight punches there by Manne. You know Roy Jones Jr respects the hands of Manne.
Good standup being displayed there by Manne as he connects with a hook.
Linhares tries to land with a swinging hook to the body but Manne was well out of range. Poor timing from Linhares.
Linhares is looking to land body kicks.
Manne slips in close and lands a nice hook before moving back out of range.
Linhares tests Manne's chin there with a solid looking shot.
Linhares walks into a jab.
Linhares throws a big shot that misses.
Nice jab there from Manne.
Linhares throws a body punch but Manne moves out of range.
Manne tries a low kick but Linhares avoids it.
Linhares was looking to counter that move with a punch but didn't quite pull the trigger.
Linhares throws a body kick but he was well out of range there.
Manne waving his hands out in front of him, looking to distract Linhares.

That's two minutes gone in the round.
Manne on the wrong end of an overhand right that came out of nowhere.
Linhares lands a nice leg kick that just misses Manne's sensitive parts.
This is a great period of action - very entertaining stuff!
Manne swings wildly with a right hand that was never going to find it's target.
Good shot there by Manne.
Manne cracks Linhares with a good jab.
Linhares throws a low kick but his opponent is out of range.
It seemed like Manne was going to counter with the hook but didn't fully commit to it.
Linhares rushes forward with a series of wild hooks but Manne moves out of range and avoids them all easily.
And an attempted straight right on the counter from Manne! But no joy.
Manne misses with a hook to the body
and Manne takes a counter punch right on the button for his troubles.
Puntti Manne has stepped it up - he knows he needs a finish here!
Manne pushing out the jab but it's not landing.
Manne throws an uppercut from half a mile away. Linhares sees it coming and avoids it easily.
Linhares thows a left - swing and a miss!
Linhares lunges in with swinging rights and lefts but Manne circles away quickly and effectively.
Linhares waving his hands out in front of him, looking to distract Manne.
Manne misses with an uppercut. Linhares saw that one coming.
Linhares has his front leg slapped to the side - a nice low kick landing there from Manne.

That's three minutes gone in the round.
Manne blocks a head kick by Linhares.
Manne uses good head movement to avoid the hook from Linhares.
Linhares takes a big uppercut there. He seems a bit wobbly but no, he's OK.
Manne bobs and weaves and throws out a fast jab that snaps Linhares's head backwards.

Linhares instigates a clinch.
Manne is trying to work for a single leg takedown but Linhares pulls him back up using the underhooks.
Linhares blocking some punches.
Manne lands a right uppercut that snaps the head of Linhares backwards.
Linhares misses with a punch on the inside.

Manne pulls guard effortlessly.
Manne keeping moving, preventing Linhares from controlling successfully.
Linhares is looking to stand up but Manne won't let him.

Linhares got a little sloppy there for a moment and Manne has worked his way into a loose triangle - can he finish it?! No, Linhares has managed to get both his arms back between Manne's legs - danger averted.

That's four minutes gone in the round.
Manne utilising some decent striking defenses from the guard, preventing the ground and pound.
Linhares content to stall in guard here.

Manne has thrown up a leg looking for a triangle. Linhares doesn't defend quickly enough and Manne has managed to lock this one up! Can Linhares escape?! NO! He's tapping out! Damn, that was a quick submission - congrats to Manne on a fantastic submission victory.

Ladies and gentlemen, after 4:38 of round 5, we have a winner by way of Submission (Triangle). Puntti Manne!
Puntti Manne is the new featherweight champion!
Puntti Manne tried to hype himself up post fight but didn't word it too well and it ended up with him sounding like a bit of a tool.